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# Monday, October 06, 2008

Two Whitmer Teachers Suspended With Pay

To start off,  I have been very intrigued lately by a story that has been in the news on Channel 11. Two teachers from Whitmer High School have been suspended with pay while an investigation is conducted regarding their relationships with students after the students graduated. I am especially intrigued because I graduated from this high school and knew one of the teachers that is under investigation. To me, this situation is unfortunate, especially considering the fact that this teacher is a good educator. However, I firmly believe that if teachers are having relationships with high school students after graduation, than there was some sort of unethical practices going on while the students were in school. In my opinion, students and teachers of the opposite sex don’t just happen to become involved after the student is no longer attending school; there has to be some sort of conversation/assumption that something will happen post- graduation. In the case of this teacher, multiple girls have come forward claiming that this was the case- I don’t think this is coincidental.

The two male teachers are being investigated for waiting until girls turn 18 and graduate so they could have a sexual  relationship with them. Is this against the law? According to the school board, the sexual relationship is not illegal, as long as the girls are no longer in school. However, they are investigating them based on the idea of “grooming.” Supposedly this is where these teachers are using the girls’ high school years to develop an emotional relationship with them. They then use this relationship to get closer to the girls, and eventually start making suggestive comments regarding their appearance, and the acts that are a possibility upon graduation. Upon graduation, these teachers have been accused of taking these girls on a few dates, buying them alcohol, and then developing a sexual relationship with them. In my opinion this is illegal. These teachers are using their position in the workplace to get what they want from these girls. Some may say that the girls are consenting adults, but that’s not the issue at hand here. These men are using their position, status, and power to manipulate these young girls- making them believe that they are really interested in them as individuals, not just interested in sexual encounters.  And I’m going to assume that most of these girls had no idea this was going on. As I said before, I knew one of the teachers and would have never thought this could be true- I am saddened to realize this is the case. Not because I feel bad for him---he knew the possible consequences of his actions, but because now we have lost out on a good teacher---someone who was truly able to effectively teach his students and help them become more knowledgeable adults.

I don’t know much about the other teacher, just what I’ve read in the newspaper and seen on the news. I think it is ridiculous that this teacher has been suspended without pay twice now, for the same accusations. He actually had a girl come to his apartment, drove her in his car, and shared information with her regarding his marital separation. Can I ask why this man is still able to teach in the school? And then he was suspended again because he wasn’t supposed to have contact with this student, and he violated that condition! Why is he still teaching? This is beyond my  comprehension…if a school board knows these activities are going on, why do they still employ these educators? Both of these men have been caught buying alcohol for a minor girl at a bar, they both went to a girl’s house post-graduation and brought alcohol with them, and at least one of them is accused of having sexual relationships with these girls-I’m not sure about the other guy. This to me is just ridiculous! I understand that people make mistakes, but I have heard that they’ve both been employing these practices for over five years now. It is amazing to me that this has not been stopped prior to now.

The school board explained that both of these teachers will face a hearing this Thursday, October 9th. At that time they will hear the allegations against them, and will then have a chance to state their case. I am interested to see where this story leads. I hope that neither of these men will step foot into a classroom again. It’s not that I want their careers to be ruined, but as a mother and future educator, teachers like this don’t deserve to be in our schools. Under no circumstance should any suggestive comments/conversations be taking place in our schools with under-age females. These girls are being manipulated into developing relationships with these men, probably assuming they’re the only ones and it’s not that big of a deal because it’s not like it happens all the time. How wrong were they? I cannot imagine the way these girls feel now, knowing the truth about these men and realizing that they were used and manipulated so these teachers could take advantage of them for their own desires. It seriously disgusts me and I am looking forward to following the story of what these men’s outcomes are.

So I ask you all this question: Is what these two men are doing illegal? Should they be reprimanded for developing sexual relationships with students after they’ve graduated? If so, what should their fate be?

I am really looking forward to receiving some feedback on this issue…I’d like to know what other people think about this situation. Do you agree or disagree with me? Why?


You can check out these stories at http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?s=9110641
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Students | Savannah
Monday, October 06, 2008 11:26:39 PM (Eastern Daylight Time, UTC-04:00)  #  Comments [6] | 
Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:56:31 PM (Eastern Daylight Time, UTC-04:00)
OH MY Gosh......one of these men were actually a teacher of one of my children at Whitmer!! I just don't know what to make of this!! I will reserve my judgements though until the ENTIRE facts are disclosed...that is the only fair way to look at this.........
Dawn G
Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:06:15 AM (Eastern Daylight Time, UTC-04:00)
Well, the teachers resigned tonight. Their board meeting was supposed to be tomorrow evening, but they turned in their letters of resignation tonight, and the school board accepted. I have mixed feelings on this. I know for a FACT that one of these men was guilty of the allegations against him...I can't understand why they would allow him to resign. From my understanding, if you resign, they are able to keep their teaching license unless the state board of education pursues revoking it. I don't think this is right at all. A similar situation happened to another teacher while I was attending Whitmer, and he resigned. He is now working at the district's junior high---how insane is that?! I am glad that these men are out of the school, but I am interested to see the follow up on the situation. According to the news, there was a police report filed---will these men face charges? Will they be able to teach at another school? Only time will tell- I seriously feel sick to my stomach even thinking about it.
savannah
Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:47:56 AM (Eastern Daylight Time, UTC-04:00)
I was a former whitmer high school student. I was in the same graduating class as these girls. I do not know the girls directly but i know some of her friends. What i can say about this is that it takes TWO TO TANGO. When i was in high school with these girls, every one was CRAZY over one of the two teachers. Now that does not give the teacher any right to pursue it. I do not think that his nor the other teachers intentions were to have sexually relations. When a girl wants something, they become very determined to get what they want. If it's alcohol, someone to be with them sexually, whatever. I know that someone found out where one of the teachers lived and insisted on goin to his house for laughs and giggles. Another thing...who hasn't gotten alchohol as a minor. I know a majority of my friends always get alcohol somehow, someway and not one of them are 21 years old. It just so happens that he was there former teacher and someone turned him in. Did anyone ever think maybe the teacher wanted to stop whatever was going on, and then maybe the girl got mad and turned him in? When somebody gets hurt its very likely that they would like to get revenge on that person who hurt them. I'm not saying the teachers are innocent just that you have to look at the other side as well.
Former W.H.S. Student C/O '07
Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:15:19 PM (Eastern Daylight Time, UTC-04:00)
I agree with the fact that you should look at the other side as well...however, I have to disagree with the rest. As a teacher, you are held to different standards. There is a fine line when it comes to relationships with students, and I know for a FACT that one of these men crossed it. You are right about the fact that girls would go crazy over this guy---but as a teacher, you need to overpower the temptation---it's unethical and against the law. And you're right, maybe someone did want to get revenge---but it was so much bigger than that. Without giving away too much information, I have heard that there were at least 16 allegations against one of these men a year ago---and who knows how many there have been since then...but I understand your point. And no one should have come forward for revenge---they should have come forward because they realize that someone like this should not be teaching our children; for the right reasons. And as far as the alcohol thing-you're right, it happens all the time. But as an educator, you in no way, shape or form should provide this for someone you know is under-age. Especially going to her apartment with alcohol, knowing the consequences you could face if caught. And if the teacher wanted to stop what was going on, than obviously something was going on...that never should have been the case. Young girls don't just get the idea that they could "date/sleep/spend time" with their teacher-they have to have reason to believe this, and that means that conversation regarding this was going on while they were in school. I understand what you are saying in your comment, but I guess I am disagreeing because I know this teacher and know that this is true-It's not based on rumors or speculation or heresay...and it's not right. And you're right, people probably got hurt. I can't imagine being one of the girls or their family members, or being family members of the teachers themselves...this is not a good situation...everyone gets hurt and everyone is affected by these educators, but I do think it would be sad if they turned him in for this reason only. However, even if this is the case, isn't it better to have someone that does that out of our schools?
savannah
Thursday, October 09, 2008 11:07:59 PM (Eastern Daylight Time, UTC-04:00)
I'm going to try not to give to much information. With that, I know many of the people involved in this situation. I know some on a very personal level, and others through friends of friends. I also am a former Whitmer grad. Class of '02. I know from speaking with some of these people, and through my own conversations with one of the accused, whom I had as a teacher, that there is real basis for the accusations. I believe..no..I know that many of the accusations are true. These teachers took total advantage of girls who were vulnerable, good looking, and had crushes on them. They sought them out. One thing I hope everyone remembers is that they are TEACHERS. Their actions were completely unethical, and in some cases illegal. We entrust our teachers to treat our children with the utmost respect, and PROTECT them from certain dangers in our children's lives. I know many people want this not to be true, or believe that their former educators are truly innocent. Many believe that because the actions were not taken until after graduation that it is OK; or that because the girls consented to it that it is OK. Remember these people are to educate our children, not groom, flirt, pursue, allow pursuit, or take advantage of the vulnerability or desire of their students.

Now in regards to alcohol. In no way, shape, or form is it EVER OK for a TEACHER to provide alcohol for a STUDENT. If an underage person gets it, fine...illegal but fine...I was 18 once too. But, I will repeat it...NEVER should a TEACHER...who is charged with our students education, and their lives, buy them alcohol.

To Dawn and other parents, I am sure that all of you take good care or your children and always keep a watchful eye. I know I do over my young children. I also know that this served as a wakeup call for me in many ways. For former students, I hope that none of you were hurt or affected by this or any other situation. I also hope that with age and maturity you will come to realize the danger these teachers, and others like them are to our children.

On a minor note for those that believe in the teachers innocent. If innocent...why resign?
Richard
Friday, October 10, 2008 10:10:28 PM (Eastern Daylight Time, UTC-04:00)
Well Richard....I have boys so......it's not as worrisome in this particular situation. However...boys can be taken advantage of as well..as we have seen recently in the news. That made me think of something...isn't it crazy that when it's a reversed case and the teacher is a female...most people don't judge as harsh? I mean..I actually heard men saying stuff like, "Whoa...that was my fantasy come true when I was in high school...lucky dog". Just an observation...I do that alot...wonder about stuff and put it out there for others to think about. But in this case...I talked to my son who had one of these teachers in particular, even as a student teacher at Jefferson Jr. High, and he told me it was kinda a shock to him. He liked the teacher and was pretty sad to hear what happened, but then again, he said he doesn't doubt anything this day in age. His only question to me was if they resigned, wouldn't that be a part of their records, so it would be hard to find another teaching job? I didn't have that information to answer him because I don't know how that all works. Maybe someone out there does. My only feeling on the whole thing is this...If it was me and I was put in this situation, and I knew I didn't do it, I would fight for my job and my reputation. These men not doing that makes me kinda wonder about them...however...everyone is different and I guess make decisions based on their own circumstances. It's just a real shame to have a flaw like that put on the school and I hope people will not judge Whitmer by it because Whitmer is a great school and I am 100% proud and greatful that my kids have been able to attend there!! I am a proud Whitmer parent and will fight for the integrity and reputation of Washington Local Schools always!!!
Dawn G
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